oh, is that so????

if you believe it is so, it must be.

However, in fact, you are completely misled.

Until you can completely silence the mind and transcend it, entirely, you can not see the functioning of the mind, what it is, how it exists in the consciousness and what it is not.

It took me about six months of meditation - though, up to 19 hours a day, to silence the mind.

Then, I was able to see and understand its functioning.

But no, this idea of the brain being the be all and end all of reality is quite false.

You can not fully know this unless you can powerful shut down its activity. Then you know...and for certain.

I was able to live with a fully silent mind...in patches...here and there...for a few seconds. But the longest I held it was 2 hours. It is at that level of discipline that the human walls collapse and the inner divine gets revealed.

But no one really wants to work that hard for the experience...so they settle for the mundane human, and then assume that is the entire reality.

As to a more scientific explanation. The mind is a vessel, a window. Through it, many things function. If, for example, the brain were the entirety of the reality, then, at death, one would have no more "mental function."

But, through arduous Yoga and spiritual practice, one can fully die...and yet still function. If you don't know what this means, you may mock the language...but it has a meaning.

It is what Shakespeare meant when he wrote..."and death once dead, there is no more dying then."

It is what St. Paul meant when he wrote about incorruptibility. And there are references in David's Psalms, in the all realms of spiritual literature by others who have had this experience.

And if you think you are Shakespeare's equal, just because you also have a human body, you are living in the realm of delusion.

And he was nothing compared to St. Paul...and St. Paul nothing compared to Christ or Sri Ramakrishna.

You simply do not understand what is possible.

What is consciousness? Start there and meditate upon that.

Benjamin Franklin and Isaac Newton, two of the greatest scientific geniuses of all time, both believed in God. So, again, don't assume you know everything because you read something in a few medical textbooks.

Science is changing and evolving and today's theories quickly become tomorrow's trash.

What is the mind? What is consciousness?

This kind of scientific explanation that you are expounded is theory. All scientific affirmations are theory. If you are so sure...then prove the theory.

Why, for example, can a psychic predict the future? What physical property will allow for this? And if you go into the quantum realm to describe multi-universes and temporal shifts...well, then you are merely describing what the mystical world has known for thousands of years...but just using scientific terms to (poorly) describe them.

Why does hypnotism work? The discipline comes from shamanism, not science.

Now, you can try and work to describe the spiritual functions through a scientific explanation...but that is not appropriate duty to the scientific method. The scientific method is to find the truth, not to, with bias, look to disprove. When you look to disprove, you necessarily limit the variables that you entertain. Then you get the results that you have skewed into your analysis. The controls are then off.

That is how you can get Nazi scientists proving that Aryans are superior. By overlooking variables. What are the variables that you are overlooking? Many. The entire presumption of your line of argumentation is that there is no soul, no spirituality, and only chemistry.

But that presumption has already been disproven. Because we know that chemical constructions as in atoms and molecules are only a surface representation of a deeper, quantum reality. In the quantum world, there is complete flux. So, while you are describing neurohumoral secretions and other brain functions, those are only surface realities of a deeper and more complex quantum reality.

And the quantum reality? Well, that is where science is presently at the frontier and trying to understand what is going on. And science, just does not know.

Two books...The Tao of Physics and The Dancing Wu Li Masters, describe the relationship between the quantum world and the mystical world.

So, if you are using the scientific method...and discussing brain function...you must also go deeper, and into the underlying quantum world and what is going on there, more primarily causal than the chemical and electrical world of brain function.

But, again, don't stop there...and go and try to find the most primarily casual function that exists. And that has already been discovered.

It is God. That discovery did not come from myth, as the 19th century scientists wanted to spin it...that discovery came from arduous inner search by millions of people over the course of tens of thousands of years...until some ancient sages broke through and met the reality face to face.

That is the spiritual history of the world.

Science, in its entirety, is a very limited attempt to understand the world. It is also quite myopic, assuming it knows everything, even though its own, most basic theories, get overthrown with each new generation.

So, before you start making assertions, don't assume that spiritual people don't have your reasoning abilities and your background of knowledge....or beyond your reasoning abilites and knowledge. Franklin and Newton certainly had superior reasoning abilities to yourself. And the many Phd's in physics, who do believe in God, certainly have a superior knowledge base.

And then, why post this back to me and on a spiritual board. The protocol of this board is a presumption that everyone likes and believes in Sri Ramakrishna. So, even being on this board is a violation of that protocol...is a disrespectful attitude, in joining a group in which you not only have no real interest, but a conscious interest in defying.

When you behave in that fashion, you violate the ethical guidelines of all religious paths...and sometimes of the secular US laws.

If you ever want to find the truth, you have to give up those activities. They are the variables that are skewing your perception, driving you out of impartial analysis and into a realm of "bias-only thinking."

If you want to be a real scientist, you have to give that up.

And yeah, I now realize that the topic was initiated to start an argument, to bait someone in, flamebait and play all those games. I was tired when I originally posted, I should have realized that the topic was not a sincere one to begin with.

But let me tell you this brother, I wish you could have seen what I have seen. And cried at the beauty the way I have cried at it.

Because brother, you are missing the greatest beauty that exists. And that is no bs. You can polygraph me if you want. I will pass.

Come over to truth...reject the world you are living in...be free. Go surfing. Try looking at the world through "dude" eyes or hippie eyes, or mountain climber eyes or burner eyes...the world through which you see things is a prison. You are a prisoner bro....break free.

peace, love and joy.

Jon